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There are currently 99 messages. Message Number: 99 - Monday, January 30, 2012 11:12:04 PDT [IP = 107.26.113.158] -United States ![]()
Mr. Kulesus; Perhaps you didn’t know that there are two George A. Smith’s in Mormon history. The one I refer to was born in Potsdam, St. Lawrence County, New York, the son of John Smith and Clarissa Lyman, and a nephew of Joseph Smith, Sr. George A. Smith was ordained a Seventy in the priesthood on March 1, 1835 by Joseph Smith, Jr. On April 26, 1839, at the age of 21, George A. Smith was ordained an Apostle and he became a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Mormon Church. So, the George Albert Smith you refer to was the grandson of the George A. Smith I refer to. And for clarification I will change my account to read: “Mormon apostle George A. Smith, cousin of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith jr., declared that the Indian people 'have no right to their land' and he instructed the all-Mormon legislature to "extinguish all titles" and get them out of the way and onto reservations." Regarding the remains of Black Hawk being displayed “in downtown Salt Lake City”, as you put it, if you go the Harold B Lee Special Collections on BYU campus, as I did, and ask them to show you a copy the September 20, 1919 Deseret News paper. The headlines clearly state “BONES OF BLACK HAWK INDIAN WARRIOR NOW ON EXIBITION LDS MUSEM.” What I have said is true. I guess your teacher didn’t tell you. So, you may want to view the entire news article on my website, just follow this link: Http://www.blackhawkproductions.com/black_hawk_war_utah.htm. The only “bull @!#%&” I see Mr. Kulesus, is your own, and you are standing in it.
Message Number: 97 - Wednesday, January 18, 2012 23:41:32 PDT [IP = 24.8.207.102] -United States ![]()
It all reads rather plausibly. That's what makes it so ironic: it's supposed to be an exposition of "truth" yet spreads some very pernicious misinformation of its own. For example, you assert: "It was in 1850 Mormon apostle George Albert Smith declared that the Indian people 'have no right to their land' and he instructed the all-Mormon legislature to "extinguish all titles" and get them out of the way and onto reservations." Certainly a terrible thing for any person, particularly a religious leader to claim! Here's where I call "bull-@!#%&" though: The well-documented George Albert Smith wasn't born until 1870 to father John Henry Smith, 20 years AFTER you claim he made these statements. He didn't live until after the war took place! I appreciate well-researched, well-documented research with proper citations. You have a few documented quotes here, but their veracity is called into question when intermingled are deliberate false-hoods. I also have serious doubts that a vibrant and noble Native American culture rich with oral traditions, such as the Utes, would simply not pass on this story as other stories have been handed down. The only references I can find on the net referencing the display of a putative indian corpse in downtown Salt Lake City are on this site. It's an interesting theory, but it's hard to call it more than that when the alternative theories (i.e.: James Turner) have a lot more evidence, witnesses, and LEGITIMATE documentation to back them up.
Message Number: 95 - Sunday, October 16, 2011 08:59:35 PDT [IP = 2.25.218.154] -United Kingdom ![]()
On a road trip with my son to Arizona and Utah we visited "Panguitch Utah" in search of "Shakespeare's" who are decended from one David Shakespeare whom emmigrated from "Dudley England" c. 1857 and settled with his wife and chlidren in Panguicth his decendants are still in the area, the majaroty of "Shakespeare's" living in Utah are of his stock.He was in Panguitch during Blackhawk Indian attack on the settelment in the 1860's. I was quiet proud to have a relative of my ancestry as an early pioneer, but after learning of thr gross mistreatment of the Native American Indians I feel saddened by the history of how the white settlers used excuses of religion and thier own way of life to take land and riches form the Indian People.They had no justification and thir acts were deploplorble, I hope that now a true history of "The West" can be written.! Message Number: 94 - Monday, October 10, 2011 19:11:47 PDT [IP = 76.27.51.8] -United States ![]()
I just read this to my 15 year-old son. I am sick just reading this. What was done to the American Indian, to all tribes of these wonderful people is TOTALLY against God. At least the God and Jesus I know. The Mormon one is man-made. And the DNA that hopefully will wake a few people up. People can and will be deceived, and listen to man make up all sorts of things. It is a hard thing to think you believe something only to find it just might not be true. How sad. I am new here and am very happy to find out the truth about what really happened here. The Mormon folks will have to face what was done to the innocent people who loved this land and were here before they were. They beheaded people, starved them, and simply treated them as if they were not created by God. I feel so sick that this happened, but to me the worst thing is the big cover up. I think it is time to speak the truth, only then will real healing come. Message Number: 93 - Monday, September 5, 2011 16:29:43 PDT [IP = 75.140.34.164] -United States ![]()
Back to Mother Earth, live as though we depend on Her nourishment ! Because we do! Just as a baby depends on its mother. Industry has taken away our ability to provide our own basic substance, ie growing our own food, making our own clothing, building our own shelter. My sacred teacher speaks of skin disease, that we have forgotten we are all part and parcel of the Great Father that alone is the Creator and thus the Propietor of Everything. When man forgets he is servant and the Lord is master, he/she thinks "I am master" and becomes intangled in "I,Me,Mine" illusion. We each can work together and mend the Sacred Circle of life. Just a little adjustment is needed. "I am not great, but I worship and serve the One who is". The whole tree is benefited when we water the root.
Message Number: 90 - Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:01:05 PDT [IP = 86.133.8.158] -United Kingdom ![]()
Has the film been made yet?
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