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Name:	ray thrower
Location:	lagrange

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brother charles to let you know that brother phils mother went home to be with the lord this moring about four.

Name:	Charles
Location:	Reply to Bro David

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Hello Bro David. Marty can tell you who he is. Due to the
circumstances I won't. As far as the "porno" on his site - He
has no control of the advertisements placed there. Its the
price you pay for free or low cost sites. One of the ads was
an ebay book up for sale with pictures and language that will
not be allowed on this site or my Many Faces of Calvinism
forum.

Name:	David
Location:	AL

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Who is Marty?? What kind of porno is he got on his internet.
This is a big problem in our churches today.

Name:	Charles
Location:	USA

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I have had to remove the name of the link to Martys' forum.
When I went to check it out there were pornographic
advertisements that were placed in between Martys entries. I
will not allow that link listed on this site. I apologize to any viewers who were exposed to that content.

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reply to Marty

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Your post exceeded the maximum limit of characters and thus
your link was not in the post. Split it up and reply and I
will put it on here. Your unwillingness to answer the
questions answers them any way. It is obvious that you do
believe the theology in question or you would say no without
hesitation.

Name:	Reply to Charles and All
Location:	Ga.

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Charles and all – since the host will not allow a link to my place then all interested can Google in and scroll down to where it says Delphi Forums. I have had this for some time and you will find my biblical answer therein to what I believe about the issue of C&A. here is the link that is if the host will allow it.

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Reply to Marty

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Will you answer the following questions? Do you beleive in unconditional election? Do you believe in limited atonement? Do you believe in irresistible grace?

Name:	Marty
Location:	Ga.

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Message Number: 78 - Sunday, February 7, 2010 15:48:14 EST - United States
Name: Reply to Marty
Comments: Never asked you if you were a "Biblicist". Biblicist was not even a word until 1830. I asked you if you were a Calvinist. I ask every preacher I talk to that same question. 1 (one) has said yes and that was after he had announced it from the pulpit. Why ask that question. It seems you guys are ashamed of admitting you believe the "TULIP" theology. Do you believe in "unconditional election"? Do you believe in "limited atonement"? Do you believe in "irresistible grace"? Why not be up front about it? Be honest!! I respect Bro Sam for his honesty on the subject.
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Message Number: 77 - Sunday, February 7, 2010 14:01:53 EST - United States
Name: Marty
Location: Ga.
Comments: Charles, was reading from the start about all that's come up and now I understand why on FB you said what you said to me. Yes, I am a 'Biblicist' and in no way do I say this in a pious sense. I've studied the word of God for over 40 years and if you wish too - you can tell all you see he is a 'Historical Baptist' and proud of it. My main reason for posting is to ask you a simple question: YOU SAID: <<<"We simply say that we believe the Bible from cover to cover and that we are led by the Holy Spirit rather than by the teachings of any particular person.">>> QUESTION: Does the word 'all' always refer to every human being who ever lived? Thanks, Marty,
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WHAT IS A HYPER-CALVINIST?
by Dr. Robert H. Lescelius
In our promotional material we often declare that Peachtree Baptist Church and her ministries opposes Hyper-Calvinism. Yet in certain circles it is regularly affirmed that we are hyper-Calvinists. If this charge is true, then we are a “house divided against itself” and thus “shall not stand” (Matt. 12:26). However, it may be we or our detractors (or maybe both) do not know what a hyper-Calvinist is. Hence, we undertake to give our answer to the title question: “What is a Hyper-Calvinist?” We will not only seek to define it, but also state why we are opposed to it as error.
I. WHAT A HYPER-CALVINIST IS NOT
I remember back, when I was a young Christian, the first time I heard the terms Calvinism and Arminianism. I thought the latter was something that originated in Armenia. I was told at that time that a Calvinist was one who believed in Eternal Security and an Arminian believed you could lose your salvation. Thus Baptists were Calvinists, and Methodists, Nazarenes, Pentecostals, etc., were Arminians. Later I heard that Calvinists believed in such things as election, limited atonement, and irresistible grace, and I wondered what this was all about and whether I was a Calvinist or not. I was told that such “heresies” as the “Five Points” were hyper-Calvinism. This is the view expressed in the late John R. Rice’s book, Predestine to Hell? No!, and over the past 50 plus years of my Christian life this argumentation has been the standard take on this issue among most Fundamental Baptists. Thus they hold that a Calvinist believes in Eternal Security (but not the Perseverance of the Saints, thus believing only half of the fifth point), while anyone who believes in any or all of the other four and a half points (Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Particular Redemption, Effectual Calling, and Perseverance) is a hyper-Calvinist. Historically, however, Calvinism has been defined by the “Five Points.” So today we have the wide gap between a point five (.5) Calvinism and five point Calvinism. I really cannot see how someone who embraces four and a half of the Arminian points can, by any stretch of imagination, be called a Calvinist of any kind, but such is the situation at hand. Be that as it may, a real Calvinist and a hyper-Calvinist by definition are not the same thing.
Many do not want to be bothered with designations like Calvinist, Arminian, etc., and I sympathize with these sentiments. So often these terms are used in a derogatory manner in controversy. Why not use such terms as sovereigntist, biblicist, etc.? The problem arises when one wants to know how much of a sovereigntist you are, or whether you are a five point or half point biblicist. My old mentor, Dr. Peter Connolly, taught us that theology was the queen of the sciences, and that every science has its terminology. Thus certain doctrines have been given designations in the science of historical theology. To avoid confusion these designations should at least be recognized (whether we like them or not). Thus one who believes in the “five points” is a Calvinist. A rose by any other name is still a TULIP. He is not a hyper-Calvinist because he believes in the “five points.”
II. WHAT A HYPER-CALVINIST IS
What then is a hyper-Calvinist, and what is the difference between a Calvinist and a hyper-Calvinist? The prefix “hyper” somewhat confuses the issue. “Hyper,” from the Greek preposition hyper, means “over, above.” However, a hyper-Calvinist is not someone who is “more” than a regular Calvinist, or believes “beyond” this position. It is rather a distortion of Calvinism. In reality a hyper-Calvinist does not believe enough. Spurgeon stated his position in the Hyper-Calvinist Controversy of his day: “I do not think I differ from any of my hyper-Calvinist brethren in what I do believe, but I differ from them in what they do not believe.” Iain Murray echoes Spurgeon by noting that “the danger with Hyper-Calvinism is not so much what it believes, but that it does not believe enough.” What is it that they do not believe?
Hyper-Calvinism is the position that does not believe in the indiscriminate offer of the gospel to the elect and non-elect. This is expressed in the following articles from the confession of the Gospel Standard (Baptist) Churches of England:
Article 26—We reject the doctrine that man in a state of nature should be exhorted to believe in, or turn to God.
Article 33—Therefore, that for ministers in the present day to address unconverted persons, or indiscriminately all in a mixed congregation, calling upon them to savingly repent, believe and receive Christ, or perform any other acts dependent upon the new creative power of the Holy Ghost, is, on the one hand, to imply creature power and on the other hand, to deny the doctrine of special redemption.
Murray explains their view further:
“For a preacher to convey to his hearers the impression that they are called to receive Christ, and to believe in him for salvation, is to deny, in the opinion of Hyper-Calvinists, the sovereignty of divine grace. It is to represent salvation as available to those whom God has excluded by the decree of election. Gospel preaching for Hyper-Calvinists means a declaration of the facts of the gospel but nothing should be said by way of encouraging individuals to believe that the promises of Christ are made to them particularly until there is evidence that the Spirit of God has begun a saving work in their hearts, convicting them and making them “sensible” of their need.”
Hyper-Calvinism, by its own limitations, leads eventually to no-evangelism, no-missions. This is no doubt the chief fear Fundamental Baptists in our day have of Calvinism. They equate it with killing soul-winning zeal and missionary outreach, thus the derogatory epithet of Hyper-Calvinism is given to it. Calvinistic missionaries have been harassed by mission boards with the charge of being hyper-Calvinists, even though they have accomplished extraordinary works of evangelism and church planting. Pastors have suffered ostracizing by other pastors and churches over this same charge, born of prejudice due to ignorance. It is strange to think that a modern day Baptist mission board would have to reject William Carey, the Father of Modern Missions, who was sent out by the Particular Baptist Missionary Society (called Particular because they believed in Limited Atonement). The same would hold true for Adoniram Judson and a host of others. A Charles H. Spurgeon couldn’t serve on such a board or be welcome in many a fellowship for his soteriological views. Do we know that when Spurgeon dedicated the Metropolitan Tabernacle that he had five men preach five messages on—guess what?
Do modern day Baptists realize that the Baptists of the past were Calvinists? Check the Old London Baptist Confessions, the Philadelphia Baptist Confession, and even the New Hampshire Confession.
For a time between John Gill and Spurgeon the Baptists of Great Britain were plagued with Hyper-Calvinism, but its influence was broken with the coming of the Second Evangelical Awakening and the influence of such men as Andrew Fuller and William Carey and later, Spurgeon. Baptists have overall believed in evangelism and missions, even though they were Calvinists. We could also mention such non-Baptists as Jonathan Edwards, the theologian of revival, George Whitefield and a long train of other soul-winners. True Calvinism must not be equated with Hyper-Calvinism.

III. WHY WE ARE NOT HYPER-CALVINISTS
We at Georgia Baptist College and Theological Seminary do not accept Hyper-Calvinism, because we believe it is error. We reject it for the following reasons:
1. It denies the free offer of the gospel. As we have seen Hyper-Calvinism does not believe the gospel is to be preached indiscriminately to all men. This is not the position of historic Calvinism:
John Calvin: The mercy of God is offered equally to those who believe and to those who believe not. The Synod of Dort (from where the “so-called” five points came): It is the promise of the gospel that whosoever believeth in the gospel should not perish, but have everlasting life: which promise, together with the injunction of repentance and faith, ought promiscuously, and without distinction, to be declared, and published to all men and people (Ch. II, Art. 5).
Hyper-Calvinism is not our position, because it is not the teaching of Scripture. Jesus called all who labored and were heavy laden (Matt. 11:20-24). He wept over Jerusalem, because they “would not” respond t

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Reply to Marty

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Never asked you if you were a "Biblicist". Biblicist was not
even a word until 1830. I asked you if you were a Calvinist.
I ask every preacher I talk to that same question. 1 (one)
has said yes and that was after he had announced it from the
pulpit. Why ask that question. It seems you guys are ashamed
of admitting you believe the "TULIP" theology. Do you
believe in "unconditional election"? Do you believe in
"limited atonement"? Do you believe in "irresistible grace"?
Why not be up front about it? Be honest!! I respect Bro Sam
for his honesty on the subject.

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